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'The Issue with Mongols' is that this small nomade tribe did not know till XX century how great a power they were once. Nor did Mongols know who Great Ghengis Khan was and how he has conquered Eurasia, Russia, China, the whole works. The Mongolian Horde was merely the Russian army. According to the official version of history, Russia remained under the political and military yoke of the Mongols for many centuries on end. The term “Mongol” is usually assumed to have always meant the same thing – however, this turns out to be incorrect; the modern interpretation is of a relatively recent origin. Bear in mind that Mongolia didn’t exist as an independent state until the early XX century! The word “Mongol” simply meant “Great One” – its association with the nomadic tribes hailing from the steppes north of China is a later invention. But why did it have to be invented?
The reason is simple: the actual “Mongol conquerors of Russia” never existed. The yoke theory was created by the court German historians of the new Russian dynasty, the Romanovs. It has served the end of justifying the Romanovs’ claims for the throne and demonising their longtime adversaries – the Horde, or the professional Russian army, which remained fiercely loyal to the old Russian dynasty, deposed and finally destroyed by the Romanovs as a result of a conspiracy. The savage invaders and torturers of the Russian land that we read about in history textbooks were the protectors of the state in reality – and ethnic Slavs for the most part. Small wonder historians still cannot find a single trace of the mythical Mongol capital – no such capital ever existed anywhere near the Gobi Desert.
The Mongol Horde identified as the Russian army are extremely hard to swallow for any Russian, yet they are just the tip of the iceberg called New Chronology, which is a radical reconstruction of world history in general and a brainchild of Anatoly Fomenko, one of today’s leading mathematicians and by all means a scientist to be taken seriously. His sensational fundamental work entitled History: Fiction or Science? is finally available in English – the ice-cold facts and the rock-hard scientific evidence concealed underneath that glossy cover portraying Jesus pinioned to the Big Ben can, and eventually will, sink the entire paper fleet of consensual history.
Dr Fomenko et al as scientists are ready to recognize the alleged mistakes of New Chronology, to repent and to retract if and only if:
- radiocarbon dating methods or dendrochronology pass the black box' tests;
- astronomy refutes their results on eclipses;
- Robert Newton (US astrophisist) was wrong accusing Ptolemy of swindle.
At present historians are not willing to comply. The radiocarbon dating labs run their very costly tests only if is the sample to be dated is accompanied with an idea of age pronounced by historians on basis of...subjective..mmm...gutfeeling and the history books they have been writing for the last 400 years. Radiocarbon labs politely bill for their fiddling and finetuning with C14 to get the dates 'to order' of historians. Circulus viciousus is perfect.
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When Russians Ruled the World
By Arch Stanton
For those who don't know what these books are (ie. most people who aren't Russian) you're looking at the dry scholarly tomes of a mathematician who decided he didn't care for the minor role of Russia in ancient and early medieval history and decided that this meant all history must be all wrong. Now I'm not dissing the Russians here. These ideas were rightly dismissed by Russian experts decades ago and, except for the occasional eccentric mathematician and celebrity, they receive little attention now. That's why he's searching for a new audience: his books have sold just about as much as they ever will in Russia. Time to release them in English. Because if there's one thing an English audience loves reading it's Russian propaganda.
These books are a statistician's attempt to combat established history using page after endless page of charts and diagrams in the hope that people won't actually check through all these figures. At twenty-two volumes in length it's a fairly safe bet, even though these books are extremely short. But what's really amazing is how little digging it actually takes to find the repeated and obvious errors in his work. The man is so certain that he must be right that he sees no problem with forcibly altering the facts to fit his "theory" or accepting huge margins of error when seeking a parallelism.
You don't even have to wait for the book to begin for the errors to creep in. The title alone presents a false dichotomy. Fiction or Science? As if those are the only two options. And I have no doubt that Fomenko does indeed see it that way given his haughty dismissal of anything even loosely connected to the Arts. History is too close to the Arts and must be purged of anything that isn't a string of exact, quantifiable numbers. All similar number strings must be combined into the same string, and any "facts" or "historical personages" attached to those numbers must be purged as well. Nice, clean math. But it's more disturbing than just that. These books are a vast horde of Russian nationalic propaganda. Apart from ridiculing any non-Scientists (AKA those unqualified to form proper conclusions) the main goal of these books is to establish that Russia ruled all the world from North America through Europe into China and the Middle East, and they did so for most of recorded history. So his two assumptions about the world are:
1. All Non-Scientists are either liars or idiots.
2. Everything in the world originated in Russia.
One of these two assumptions is underlying every single one of his conclusions. He treats his random and unsupported speculations with just as much respect as ones that have been established through years of research backed by hard evidence. All Arts and Humanities subjects are regarded as worthless as sources of information and aren't even worth mentioning unless to state (not argue or prove) that they are wrong.
And now the history of the world as outlined in this book: History begins when Andronicos Comnenos dies and becomes Jesus. History records him as an unsuccessful Greek emperor with no real successes who was beaten to death by the mob and not a poor prophet from Nazareth who was crucified but hey, what do they know. It's not like the crucifixion was an important part of the story or anything. Immediately all of Europe decides that they're Christian and march against the Muslims. It may sound confusing why they'd blame the Muslims for what was an internal coup but they were probably just confused because Mohammed wasn't born yet. At some point they changed their minds and decided to skip the first three crusades and jump straight onto the Fourth (except that they didn't. It was actually the same as the First. Obviously. Please try and keep up). They then sacked Constantinople which was also Rome which was Troy which was Jerusalem. At some point they get confused and occupied the Holy Land as well and then forget all about Constantinople and let it fall back to the Greeks since Jerusalem was now Constantinople which was Troy which was Rome. People back then had very short memories often forgetting why they did something before they even did it. This is probably due to their lack of statisticians. During the First Crusade the Greeks decide to avenge the kidnapping of their queen by... also sacking Constantinople. After sacking their own city they quietly vanish for a few years, probably in embarrassment. Some time later Erasmus wrote the New Testament confusing generations of scholars who wondered what they had been copying out for all that time. Having now written a New Testament it was decided that they needed an Old one. I'm sure the reasons for the reversed order are as obvious to everyone else as they are to Fomenko. Some time in the 15th Century David rose up, except that he was Turkish and ruled in Constantinople. Despite the many wars with the Turks Europe had never warred with the Turks and accepted all of these events as holy writ. After all, the Turks were really Russian in funny hats and the Russians ruled the world. The Byzantines were secretly ruling in England. After the death of Solomon (Suleimon) the Jews split off from Christianity because they were tired of not being persecuted because of something they didn't do and decided that being hunted by the Inquisition was more fun. In the confusion the Catholics and Orthodox Christians split apart as well because everyone else was doing it and it seemed a good idea at the time. They were to regret this later when the Catholics sacked their city but that had already happened so it was fine.
It turns out that Russia has dominated the world since the earliest recorded history (what a shock!). The Mongols were not from Mongolia because the people there are nothing but worthless servants of the Russian Empire (it's ok. Fomenko assures us that the Mongols never knew of Genghis Khan until some pesky monks told them that they used to rule the world). Russia was actually the major Empire that the Romans were based off of and has existed since the dawn of civilization. Silly Georgians thinking they are anything but the personal property of Russia! Ha ha. They also controlled America, Europe and North Africa by 1300 so I guess that we should all submit to the Russian yoke as is our hereditary duty. Occasionally a czar would allow the governors of Europe (kings hah!) to wage war on each other if they pleased him. Presumably the English sucked up to him better than France which is why they did so well in the Hundred Years War but then lost his favor again which resulted in the French winning. Joan of Arc was probably the czar's sister or something. The czar could summon anyone to his court and they had to obey which is why Moscow is renowned the world over as being filled with better artwork and architecture than such dives as Paris and Rome (which isn't the REAL Rome after all). After Russia fell in the 1600s (through internal troubles. No one could EVER conquer Russians) the rest of the world immediately conspired to hide that they ever existed lest they should try to rule over them again. Thus they erased this empire from the history books and replaced it with such lies as Rome and the Holy Roman Empire (couldn't they even pick a new name? Obvious!). Thus the treacherous Romanovs rose to power (did I mention that he first published this under the Soviets?) and they too decided to forget there had ever been a Russian Empire of such a scale. Many "Roman" documents are simply Russian ones with a few name changes. Latin is merely a corrupted form of church Slavonic, despite bearing no similarity to that language. The Russians probably invented it to confuse future generations of schoolkids. They had after all had it engraved all over the southern part of their empire on specific styles of buildings which they immediately buried and built medieval cities on top of to confuse archaeologists. It never showed up in Russia itself. Perhaps they punished the provinces by making them write everything in Latin. Oh those cruel Russians. After the late 18th Century things begin to return to what is normally called history.
As you can see it is far less confusing than the 'conventional' timeline. You might think I'm making this up but that is what you get when you put all his history together. Minus the sarcasm perhaps.
By the third book focusing exclusively on Russian history you may be starting to catch on to the idea that maybe making Russia look great is the purpose of this entire series. Congratulations: you can recognize patterns. Fomenko seems to think he's the only one capable of this. So this book continues to tell his story of Russian history. The Byzantines (Russians) collapsed unexpectedly from the fallout of that whole Jesus thing and each state immediately established its own version of history, which they nonetheless managed to keep separate and internally consistent. In Mongolia (Russia) the Horde (Russians) were disorganized and took years to recover from this. Although, as the center of all human civilization, they still managed to receive Byzantine empresses in marriage. Oh, and all European nobility is descended from Augustus. A random claim about a man whose entire line died out within a few generations but whatever.
I'm not even going to bother going into too much depth here. Unless you know a lot of Russian history you won't know who I'm talking about anyway. Suffice it to say that every early Russian ruler was in fact one of the great Mongolian khans, starting with Georgi (Genghis). Tedious stuff for me, but maybe a Russian historian would find it more entertaining. This is actually as far as I'm going with the Russian ones. No fewer than seven of these books (almost a third) are detailing Russian history, and while that's fine and dandy for a Russian nationalist pseudohistorian it's pretty boring for someone outside Russia.
1 of 5 people found the following review helpful.
Mongols from Berlin
By Amazon Customer
Occam's razor: among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Occam's razor does not seek to offer complete and absolute proof, but to find the simplest probable answer to a question of why an event happened. Dr Fomenko et al applied this razor rule to Mongolia to find out that Mongols didn't know in mid-XIXcy just how great they were once or who Mr Ghengis was. Moreover, Mongolia was a label for the 'ancient' Great Horde Empire that spread through XII-XVIcy colonizing most of Eurasia from Pacific to Atlantic. Horde fell into pieces due to Great Strife of mid-XVIcy. The 'mongol' invasions of Horde took place to punish rebellious fiefdoms that tried to break away, or worse stopped to pay taxes. They found that the 'mongol' myth was injected into russian history by german historians Schleizer, Meier et al imported to Russia by czar Peter I.
2 of 7 people found the following review helpful.
Pseudohistory as exact science
By B.Guggenheim
When the clergy took over the control of Chronology in XVIcy it was a part of mathematics. Saint Augustine warned: 'be wary of mathematicians, particularly when they speak the truth !' Prescient. Today the mathematicians took it back and checked it. The scientific approach to the World History with ways and means of exact sciences shows: all real events that took place over 1200 years ago as well as people who allegedly acted in them are simply unknown to us and will stay so forever. Ancient Egypt, Europe, Rome, China, India, etc..etc histories are figmental prior to that date. Home sapiens could neither read nor write at that time. That was prehistory. Everything told to us about pre-1200 years ago events is fiction. Human 'civilization' had yet to be worked out. Civilization started its relentless progress in 800 A.D., developed its major features like writing, communications, religions and & arts, centralized civil and military management approx. by 1000 A.D. That was 'ancient' history. Nearly nothing is about this period known for sure. 'Antiquity ' is label applied to figmental events and people that allegedly lived prior to 800 A.D, but actually happened in 1000 A.D.– 1500 A.D. All written, artistic, even architectural artifacts presented as being older than 1200 years are found upon scrutiny either as machinations and falsifications performed by the white and black clergy, artists, architects, sculptors during 1400 A.D. - 2000 A.D. or misinterpretations and misdatings of events taking place in 1000 A.D.– 1500 A.D.
Issues with the mainstream Word History : there are no chronicles irrefutably proven to be older than 1400 A.D. Subjective methods of dating documents and/or artifacts used arbitrarily, the objective methods of dating evaded. The famous radiocarbon-14C dating method lost its precision due to numerous nuclear tests in 1945-1964 and doesn't stand the black box test (alleged age of sample to test has to be told first. Sic !). Radiocarbon-14C initial calibration was made on samples from 'ancient' Egypt, the age of samples was set arbitrarily. Astronomy contradicts consensual history. Ptolemy is reliably datable to XVI cy. All solar and lunar eclipses described in chronicles dated prior to XVIcy to stress the importance of events and people acting in them actually never took place in locations at moments of time therein indicated. 6000 years long Chinese History is even more bogus than European . It is high time for the mainstream historians to stop bickering and to re-start the world history as science. Genetics re-started that already .
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